SEAL this deal: Let’s Go (AlI-In) Bucs

By now, if you follow me here, on Pirates.com, on Twitter — if you follow me anywhere except down a dark alley — you’re well aware that I haven’t paid much attention to that Navy SEALS-Hoka Hey stuff.

Why not? It has nothing to do with reporting on the team’s official Internet “getaway.” Puh-leeze. But because I believe it all to be a load of fertilizer.

No, not the facts of the matter. But the notion that it has had anything to do with the Bucs going 17-37 the last two Septembers, or with their inability to bunt, or with their failure to get the right colored roses on Valentine’s Day — or with Mark Appel not signing with them, or anything else.

Pure and simple, my thoughts. I can have them, right? Whether or not they conform with club thinking.

Speaking of which, here’s one that struck while listening to three days of give-and-take between fans and team reps during PirateFest:

GM Neal Huntington characteristically defended his refusal to pool prospects in the type of deal swung by the Royals for a pair of veteran right-handed starting pitchers: “We don’t want a team to win just once, but want to develop one that can sustain winning for many, many years.”

In other words, don’t go all-in for one big shot, but build a consistent organization that is a yearly threat.

You know what? I don’t buy that.

If you have a fandom that has suffered through 20 consecutive losing seasons, you DO go all-in for that dump-buster. Just for the emotional lift, the renewed faith. You do everything possible to rid that albatross.

THEN you worry about the long-term. Otherwise, everyone may leap off your badwagon in the short-term, long before it can turn that corner.

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“GM Neal Huntington characteristically defended his refusal to pool prospects in the type of deal swung by the Royals for a pair of veteran right-handed starting pitchers: “We don’t want a team to win just once, but want to develop one that can sustain winning for many, many years.”

Tom I have a question for you, How much longer are Pirate fans supposed to wait for years of winning teams? The fans…I should say the real fans,,,not the lemmings that Nutting, Huntingdon, and Coonelly count on…by the real fans are fed up and tired of waiting. The drafts conducted by Huntingdon have been awful. His trades have been awful, and this team, while talking about winning and getting better have actually been worse in the five years under Huntingdon than they were under Littlefield.

Hoka Hey may be silly in your mind but it is a symptom of the larger cancer that continues to grow within the PBC, Winning teams can think out of the box, Teams such as the Pirates that lose for decades should emulate other winning Major Leage Baseball teams rather than a gold medal rowing team.

Well said Tom and a great blog..Last year there was never a better chance and when on 8/8/12 being 16 games over.500 and managing 7 wins from 28 in September the Pirates will never have a better chance after such a hard schedule start .He got lucky with signing AJ & Cutch staying healthy,but by his own admission the chemistry went with wrong when Magee was traded & once again the fans were treated like mushrooms.Twenty of those 79 wins were against the AL bound Astro’s ( 12 )& Cards ( 8 ) and cannot believe we will be anywhere near 81 after the upgrading in the division.The fans deserve better and you can fool some of the time,but not most of the time,&after Franks “liar gate” extending of Huntington’s & Russel’s contracts in 2009,only the gullible & suckers buy the spiel of Frank and Neal..

disagree with you tom, i want to be relevant every year. maybe not champs but in the hunt.

Tom,

This team is coming off a 2nd straight collapse and the only thing we’ve done to make the roster better is sign Russell Martin and trade for a few AAAA pitchers. We have the same Russell Martin who had a batting average for the season under .200 before his .250ish September. Martin posted a .713OPS vs Barajas’ .625. By the way McKenry had a .762OPS last season.

We’ve lost Correia to free agency. Correia’s loss to free agency doesn’t appear to bad until you realize he had 12 wins last year and was a solid innings eater at the back end of the rotation.

Huntington decided to nontender Karstens. Karstens wasn’t a great pitcher, but when he was healthy he’s our 3rd best pitcher (maybe 2nd best) and we threw him away to save about 4 million dollars.

Hanrahan is on the trade block. We’ve seen Huntington’s history for trades have we not?

Who knows if Burnett or McCutchen can repeat their 2011 performances. It’s hard to put up the kind of season Cutch did before August.

I’m not sure if you’ve noticed or not, but we currently have Jeff Locke and Kyle McPherson as our projected 4th and 5th starters. Neither guy has looked special.

I don’t always agree with you, Tom, but on this? You hit the nail squarely on the head. You can’t win for many years if you don’t win for one year first.

Sorry Tom. I disagree with you. Previous management had an all in attitude to win the first few years PNC was opened, and missed, and it set us back decades. Brendensdad says we should think like other Major League winning teams. Well they do. They’re following the Rays philosophy (mostly). We’ll see what the Royals and Blue Jays do over the next 5-10 years, but they’re obviously going all in. (They also had much deeper minor league systems than anyone in the league) I’m sure the Jays will contend this year, and maybe for a few more. The Royals gave away one of the best prospects in the game for a #3 starter and a #6 starter (on real good rotations). I know NH does some stupid stuff (Russel Martin), but he has definitely built a good start to a franchise. This year we’ll see if he can come through at the top. Talking about his trades, every time he trades a reliever, he wins. Dotel, Damaso Marte, and Sean Burnett. We got JMac, Karstens, Tabata, and Hanrahan, and whoever he gets for Hanrahan. So lets give him a shot.

“THEN you worry about the long-term. Otherwise, everyone may leap off your badwagon in the short-term, long before it can turn that corner.”

umm pretty sure the short term came and went a long time ago… it’s been 20 years, anyone who was gonna jump in the short term is long gone. the last 2-3 years finally showed some life. i’m good with slow and steady at this point.

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